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Old 06-25-2012, 07:30 PM
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"An atheist couple and their children have lost their fight to have "under God" stricken from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The family's lawsuit against Massachusetts' Acton-Boxborough Regional School District and the Acton schools was thrown out Friday, the Boston Globe reported.
The family argued the words "under God" were a "religious truth" and contradicted their beliefs.
And while they admitted in court filings they knew they could opt out of saying the pledge, they still wanted the phrase removed, court records stated."
Read more: Judge Upholds Religious Phrase In The Pledge Of Allegiance - Business Insider
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:39 PM
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Good. They have every right to be atheist but not to change tradition or history in this manner. No one forces them to say it and thus have no basis.

Honestly, this just seems like a ploy for attention.
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Good. They have every right to be atheist but not to change tradition or history in this manner. No one forces them to say it and thus have no basis.

Honestly, this just seems like a ploy for attention.
Indeed. It seems to me that if people want to change the Pledge, they can and should use the avenue that was used to change it in 1954: Congressional legislation. I would say the same for pro-life groups who have also argued at times to add ".....liberty and justice for all, born and unborn" to the pledge.
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It seems to me that if people want to change the Pledge, they can and should use the avenue that was used to change it in 1954: Congressional legislation.
Unless the executive needs donations and votes, then they can ask for an Executive Order...
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Sad thing is that this isn't really news. This is standing precedent.

Now, 50+ years ago, under the analysis, it would have been impermissible because it was designed to promote religion. Now, it's become as "innocuous" as "bless you" when someone sneezes.
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Good for the judge.
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I don't think it should have ever been added to the pledge during McCarthyism to start with, but whatever.
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Sad thing is that this isn't really news. This is standing precedent.

Now, 50+ years ago, under the analysis, it would have been impermissible because it was designed to promote religion. Now, it's become as "innocuous" as "bless you" when someone sneezes.
What religion does it promote, and please be specific..........
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Default Re: "Judge Shoots Down Atheists' Claim That Pledge Of Allegiance Is Religious"

So let me see... the long standing Pledge of Allegiance was changed by the religious to include the words "under god" so as to make the pledge more religious. (the fourth time it was changed, btw)

That was okay.

But suddenly, it's NOT religious anymore and changing the pledge is a bad, bad thing and we shouldn't change history or tradition, like... EVER!

And when I was in school, we were forced to say it. I went to detention more than once for refusing to.
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Sad thing is that this isn't really news. This is standing precedent.

Now, 50+ years ago, under the analysis, it would have been impermissible because it was designed to promote religion. Now, it's become as "innocuous" as "bless you" when someone sneezes.
The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. This obvious distinction has been perverted into a legal suppression of religious expression where the sensitivities of the atheist are honored above the Constitution.
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