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From various sources...
Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor: Robert Stinnett: 9780743201292: Amazon.com: Books Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor: Robert Stinnett: 9780743201292: Amazon.com: Books
Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute
Robert B. Stinnett: The Independent Institute
Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute
The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor
Robert B. Stinnett: The Independent Institute
Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor: Robert Stinnett: 9780743201292: Amazon.com: Books Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor: Robert Stinnett: 9780743201292: Amazon.com: Books
The Beacon: The Blog of The Independent Institute
Stinnett Responds to NSA’s Pearl Harbor Claims Antiwar.com Blog
Stinnett Responds to NSA’s Pearl Harbor Claims Antiwar.com Blog


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Day of Deceit rewrites the history leading to the Pearl Harbor attack.
- See more at: Book Review: Day of Deceit (by Robert B. Stinnett) : WWII

...Stinnett has left no stone unturned, and his account rewrites the historical record of the war. His well-written and gripping narrative is buttressed with copies of many relevant government documents, intelligence reports and Japanese diplomatic and military intercepts.
Explosive, revealing and disturbing, this book gets to the heart of the debate about America's leadership as the nation was swept into the war. It is a sober and careful study, however, without sensationalism. Stinnett has simply done his homework doggedly and thoroughly, and has sought to present what he believes is the full story behind the Japanese attack.
One of the most shocking of McCollum's proposals, says the author, was Action D, the deployment of U.S. warships within or adjacent to Japanese territorial waters. During secret White House meetings, Roosevelt personally took charge of Action D, labeling the provocations "pop-up" cruises. According to Stinnett, Roosevelt said, "I just want them to keep popping up here and there and keep the Japs guessing. I don't mind losing one or two cruisers, but do not take a chance on losing five or six." Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, commander of the Pacific Fleet, objected, saying, "It is ill-advised and will result in war if we make this move."
From March through July 1941, Stinnett writes, White House records show that FDR flouted international law and dispatched naval task groups into Japanese waters on three such cruises. One of the most provocative was a sortie into the Bungo Strait, southeast of Honshu, the principal access to Japan's Inland Sea....

FDR wanted the U.S. in the War, All of his pro England activity and notes to Churchill etc show this. In Sept 27 1940 triparite pack Japan Germany Italy was signed. FDR knew that a Japanese war meant war with Germany as well.


According to Research done By Robert Stinnet who FOIAed the Docs of the cyptgrphers and And Washington events. It now appears that FDR Planned to provoke the Japanese into war and Did know shortly before hand the exact date of the attacks but wanted the Japanese to strike the 1st blow.

Again according to docs Stinnett obtained.
Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor

Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

Station Cast (sp) on Corrigador(sp) broke Japanese code book D, the 5 number code.
Nov 12th - 13th U.S. navy 1941 sent message to Washington that U.S. was current on Japanese Naval code. FDR requested all messages.
Nov 15 FDR secret meeting with Washington folks that Dec was the danger zone.

Nov 25 Hawaii Jap fleet left Japan 6 carrier plus war ships
Adm Kimmell got the info from his Crptograhers at Pearl Harbor he sent warning to Washington, FDR's reply to Adm Kimell in Hawaii and MacArther in the Philippines ordered to Stand Aside and let Japan commit 1st act, defensive actions only, Nov 27 1941.
MacArthur sent reply "...all clear for successful defense..."
FOIA docs with proof in Book
(BTW Stinnett thinks it was a 'Nobel Lie' to get the U.S. people in the war that we needed to be in)

Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?
March 11, 2002
Robert B. Stinnett, Douglas Cirignano


An Interview with Robert B. Stinnett by Douglas Cirignano
On November 25, 1941 Japan’s Admiral Yamamoto sent a radio message to the group of Japanese warships that would attack Pearl Harbor on December 7. Newly released naval records prove that from November 17 to 25 the United States Navy intercepted eighty-three messages that Yamamoto sent to his carriers. Part of the November 25 message read: “...the task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow...”

Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute


Now before this FDR planned for a year or more to provoke the Japanese to attack.
On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox (whose endorsement is included in the following scans). Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt's most trusted military advisors.
The memo, scanned below, detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that it was a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure", and America entered World War Two.
Oct 8 FDR met with fleet commander who didn't like the idea of being bait. ref Stinnetts book.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...lum/index.html
Scans of the McCollum memo at the link above



At Scott Horton’s suggestion, I wrote Robert Stinnett, author of Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor, and asked “about the new story [1,2] that the NSA has debunked the Pearl Harbor foreknowledge narrative.” His response is as follows:
Memo for Anthony Gregory:
I received your email which I believe you refer to the “Winds Code” story which I read in the New York Times on Sunday, December 7, 2008, based on a news release of the National Security Agency written by NSA “court historians.”
The story is NOT news. The “Winds Code” was introduced in the Congressional Investigation of 1945-46 in an attempt by Congress to divert attention from American success in solving the Japanese naval codes prior to Pearl Harbor. American newspapers and radio networks carried the story in November 1945.
The “winds code” was issued by the Japanese Foreign Office, not the Imperial Japanese Navy. The Foreign Office, certain the Allied nations would cut off communications, planned to use hidden word phrases in their world-wide news broadcasts aimed at Japanese Embassies and Consulates world-wide. Example “East wind Rain” in the weather report during the short wave news broadcast meant war with America; East wind North meant war with Russia. Ralph T. Briggs, a U.S. Naval intercept operator at Station “M”, Cheltenham, Maryland, intercepted the “Winds Code” broadcast on December 4, 1941, numbered the report and sent it to headquarters in Washington, D.C. The numbered report of Briggs is missing from U.S. Navy files.
While the Foreign Office report certainly revealed Japanese war intentions, the Japanese Navy also used a hidden war phrase: Niitaka Yama Nobore 1208, which translated meant “Climb Mt. Niitaka on December 8, 1941″ (Tokyo time). This radio message originated by Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander in Chief of the Imperial Navy and was intercepted by Station “H” in Hawaii. Yamamoto transmitted the Niitaka message on December 2, 1941, in the hidden word phrase, according to testimony during the Congressional Investigation 1945-46. RADM Edwin Layton, who was Admiral Kimmel’s intelligence officer said the message was received in Hawaii in the hidden word system.
The Imperial Japanese Army also had a hidden word phrase. I have not seen the message, but it reportedly was “The Black Kite will fly on December 8, 1941.”
Best regards, Bob Stinnett."

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/12/...harbor-claims/
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Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy forum?
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Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy forum?
FOIA Gov't Docs of meetings and information, in the conspiracy forum?
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the docs are real. They are History.
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Looks like a couple books with those claims.
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Looks like a couple books with those claims.
Books, articles and websites with reference to the FOIAed historical Docs.
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you know like if a book has a photo and text of the constitution, and letters of George Washington in it .
the Constitution and letters IN the book are history. not "theory"
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Books, articles and websites with reference to the FOIAed historical Docs.
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you know like if a book has a photo and text of the constitution, and letters of George Washington in it .
the Constitution and letters IN the book are history. not "theory"
O.K. don't get bent outta shape about it. I just have heard some of this stuff before and ...
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