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Old 02-12-2013, 05:17 PM
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We keep finding out more and more about how this administration hates everything this country stands for.

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I read an article written by Michael Farris, the founder and chair of HSLDA – the Home School Legal Defense Association. In it he discussed the case made by government lawyers representing Attorney General Eric Holder during the court hearing for the Romeike family. You may remember the Romeike’s sought political asylum in the United States due to Germany’s persecution of homeschooling families. A federal district court judge granted the Romikes asylum here against the wishes of the Federal government. The government appealed that decision to the Board of Immigration appeals and won. HSLDA appealed to the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals where the case (Romeike v. Holder) will be heard.

Farris outlined three arguments made by the U.S. Department of Justice lawyers which should be of concern to American homeschooling families:

He said the first argument in essence is that a government isn’t violating anyone’s rights if homeschooling is banned altogether.

First, they argued that there was no violation of anyone’s protected rights in a law that entirely bans homeschooling. There would only be a problem if Germany banned homeschooling for some but permitted it for others.

Now in reality, Germany does permit some people to homeschool, but it is rare and in general Germany does ban homeschooling broadly—although not completely. (Germany allows exemptions from compulsory attendance for Gypsies and those whose jobs require constant travel. Those who want to stay at home and teach their own children are always denied.)…

…There are two major portions of constitutional rights of citizens—fundamental liberties and equal protection. The U.S. Attorney General has said this about homeschooling. There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. This is a view which gives some acknowledgement to the principle of equal protection but which entirely jettisons the concept of fundamental liberties.

Farris noted the DOJ’s 2nd argument was that the Romeikes failed to show there was discrimination based on religion since not all homeschooling families are Christian, and not every Christian believes they have to homeschool.
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Default Re: Banning Homeschooling Doesn’t Violate Fundamental Rights

If he said that he's full of sh*t.
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This article seems to be an opinion, not fact, about the DOJ position.
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Well, here we have one of these four choices:

1. Children have the right to be dumbasses.

2. Children have the right to have a basic education.

3. Children should be seen and not heard.

4. Eric Holder can kiss my ass, and go eat some cheese.

For those racist types, monkeys do not eat bananas, and rats and weasels do not go for cheese.
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Well, here we have one of these four choices:

1. Children have the right to be dumbasses.

2. Children have the right to have a basic education.

3. Children should be seen and not heard.

4. Eric Holder can kiss my ass, and go eat some cheese.

For those racist types, monkeys do not eat bananas, and rats and weasels do not go for cheese.
It's an opinion. Holder doesn't seem to have said that.
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It's an opinion. Holder doesn't seem to have said that.
From the op. Holder; "There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. "
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A virtual removal of all parental influences over the education and morals of their children.

Yaeh, that's what this country needs....
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From the op. Holder; "There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. "
Holder is right. There is no fundamental right to homeschool and if it were banned equally, there would be no violation.

However there is a huge huge leap of phobic imagination from a legal argument being expressed in a very specific case: ... In it he discussed the case made by government lawyers representing Attorney General Eric Holder during the court hearing for the Romeike family. You may remember the Romeike’s sought political asylum in the United States due to Germany’s persecution of homeschooling families.... to outrage and a fallacious claim that the Obama Administration secretely wants to ban homeschooling.

It's a legal argument specific to one case for asylum based on a percieved "right" to homeschool.
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Holder is right. There is no fundamental right to homeschool and if it were banned equally, there would be no violation.
So you think the monkey has our best interest at heart when he mentions that no right has been violated because every homeschooler has been singled out as worthless EQUALLY, eh?

What a crock of CACA!
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Holder is right. There is no fundamental right to homeschool and if it were banned equally, there would be no violation.

However there is a huge huge leap of phobic imagination from a legal argument being expressed in a very specific case: ... In it he discussed the case made by government lawyers representing Attorney General Eric Holder during the court hearing for the Romeike family. You may remember the Romeike’s sought political asylum in the United States due to Germany’s persecution of homeschooling families.... to outrage and a fallacious claim that the Obama Administration secretely wants to ban homeschooling.

It's a legal argument specific to one case for asylum based on a percieved "right" to homeschool.
So in your mind a parent does not have the right to chose how his/her child is educated?

Never mind that this involved just a specific case, but this mind set should have been exposed long ago. This has been an ongoing problem with the obama administration, much of what these people believe has never been presented to the public.
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